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Author: Zeli

I'm a lil off track here with where this thread has gone, but to comment on the original character creation thing:

I hate DAoC character models. The old ones were okay looking, but not many options. Now that I have the expansions, I have alot of different ways to make an ugly chick. great... I don't want to play a character thats "okay". I want a character that impresses me. 1001 ways to look ugly. no thanks. I rolled an inconnu. If I'm gonna be ugly, I might as well go all out weird!

I may be a very shallow person and I'm okay with that, but I want my character to look good. Hot chicks can kick ass too. I like to play a character who is powerful, beautiful and respected. I never got out of character creation on EQ2 and Horizons because I didn't like how the characters looked. On City of Heroes, I spent a couple hours making my first character. I have been known to delete and reroll a character simply because I decided I wanted a different hair color. Character creation is very important to me.

I like WoW models - but not many choices, but at least the choices you do have look good.

I like Guild Wars modes. I don't think you could make an ugly combo of guild wars options. Yes there aren't many choices, but they look good!
screenies:
gw.stratics.com/content/f...mer_01.jpg
guildwars.ogaming.com/gal....sized.jpg
guildwars.gameamp.com/mod...s/3879.jpg
img35.photobucket.com/alb...screen.jpg
img87.exs.cx/img87/967/gw0162gh.jpg

And on clothing/armor: Some WoW outfits go to the extreme and even I say "holy moly, I can't go out in this!" but also DAoC tended to take the prude-approach to clothing women. I'd like a nice middle ground. something like this is nice:
www.clantemplates.com/ren...arrior.jpg
It's armor that actually covers the body and offers protection and yet, she still looks good!

In the end, can't we have both? Lots and lots of good looking options!

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Responder #1

As a melee player I want to look ugly. Let's face it, arrows and spells are for the pretty people. Melee is for the 'ard lads (and lasses) The more scars, cuts, eye patches and hard-ass looking facial expressions the better! I loved DAoC catacombs customizations. You could make some really mean looking troops! Give me a scruffy beard, a huge scar over one eye and drag the Mood bar all the way to the left and now we're talking! I can guaratntee in W.A.R the ugly races will outnumber the good looking ones. Especially Orcs and Chaos! No "hot" characters stripping off their clothes and dancing with eachother in this game! I want slaughter, death, war howls and vengeance! No time for dancing and lookin good

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My Answer:

I thought the new DAoC male characters look great. I am very jealous of my husbands characters.

And I don't mean that everyone has too look good. But give me some options! I think there is potential for Empire, Dark Elves and Chaos to have some really nice looking female avatars. Okay, so the chaos chicks will have horns and whatnot, but there can be some hotness in there too.

And I agree that I think if a character is supposed to be ugly then GO UGLY! I had a troll chick in EQ who was UGLY and her name was Snorts and I loved her. She was hideous. I hated that in WoW they kinda half-prettied up the troll and orc chicks. that was a real bummer. Orc chicks should have been way uglier. They weren't ugly enough. It's like they were trying to be pretty and failed. They should have looked like they didn't give a crap!

and how come whenever someone says they want a good looking chick character, there are always follow up posts about dancing and stripping? That wasn't what I said.

Take into concideration that you, being a guy, wants your guy to look very manly, mean and fierce in battle. And while there aren't alot of women who play warhammer, there are alot of women who play mmorpgs and some like to look good while they kick booty. Personally, I really liked playing a short blonde pony-tailed britan girl mercenary in the lil bgs and slaughter trolls. Add a little insult to injury.

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Board Admin responce (woman irl):

I agree with most of what you're saying, Zeli, cept I thought Camelot classes were much better than the original toons. Especially frostalfs, dwarfs, etc.

Orcs should not look pretty. They should look ugly and menacing. But what about Dark Elf witches? There are a lot of females who play mmorpgs, and while we don't want to run around in a bikini, we want our toons to look sexy.
There should be some relevant options for both 'ugly' and 'pretty', even in the Warhammer world.

I also agree that DAoC had a very prudish look. While other mmo's have taken it too far, such as L2, there should be a happy medium.

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Responder #1 again

Hi Zeli,

I pretty much agree with you; the more options the better. Give us the choice. Choice is good! There are no female Orcs or Goblins in Warhammer though. And as for Chaos, well I don't see Khorne, Nurgle or Tzeentch being anything but hideous. Slaanesh on the other hand, is all about looking good..to the point of causing insanity amongst the enemy. Slaanesh = Hot. Well, in a twisted, S&M and Chaotic way.

Sounds like Slaanesh may be your path?

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(at this point I would like to point out that I said Empire, Dark Elf and Chaos would be what I would assume to have beautiful female options. I never said orc or goblins. I know orc and goblins are ugly and only male in this game. I actaully enjoy ugly options when I think that a race is supposed to be ugly. but I didnt post a response to that since he basically agreed with me and I do like this poster so I didnt want to go all snotty on it. I thought at this point things were basically understood. after all this is really an opinion post)

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Responder #2

Zeli - My fiancee plays DAoC, and she could not disagree with you more about the Catacombs models. She thinks they are very attractive and loves the way you can make them smile. She does think they need some more options, but she is very happy she doesn't have to look like some kind of dim slapper (a British word, I'm not sure what it would translate to in Americanese, hooker perhaps?), like she pretty much had to if she played Alliance in WoW. She also thought the Troll and Orc girls in Horde looked great, so as you can see, female opinion on what looks good varies considerably.

In case you're wondering, she's very pretty, so if anything, I expected her to take against the ladies of Horde side, but she loved them much more than the bimbo look that all the female humans seemed to have, or the creepy "cute" of gnomes Wink

You also make completely incorrect assumptions about what men want from male characters. I don't want some dumb, butch "manly man" with a beard and a square jaw the size of Texas! I don't want someone who looks "mean and fierce". Some people do, but a lot of men don't. Indeed, the severe lack of good-looking male avatars is one of the reasons you see a lot more men playing female characters than vice-versa.

What I want from a male character is someone who looks agile, strong, handsome but not necessarily mucho macho, and certainly not "mean or fierce", but perhaps cunning and deadly. Lots of male players want characters like this, but they are extremely rarely provided. DAoC offers none. All the male DAoC characters are either dull and insipid-looking or "mucho macho" types. They look nice and all, but I don't really want to be them (though I can make a male highlander that looks almost exactly like my father, which is amusing considering he's from Scotland Smile). WoW did offer one decent male option at least, that being male Night Elves. CoH did allow me, finally, to make a male character I was entirely happy with, because you could control everything. My fiancee was appalled by ugliness of the female characters in that, though, especially the face options.

I do agree on two things, though:

1) Choice is good. The more choice the better. If both my fiancee and you can make female characters they really like the look of, everybody wins, and with more choices, that becomes possible.

2) WoW had some ridiculous armour that was clearly made solely so thirteen-year-olds (of every age) could jerk it to their (or worse, your) female NE rogue. Dark Age has completely practical and realistic armour to the point where yes, it is a little boring. Guild Wars did fit into the space in-between fairly well, save for with Elementalist armour, which was just silly-looking. The Warrior armour was certainly excellent, and the monk armour, particularly the tattoo armour, was awesome. It managed to somehow make the near-nudity non-sexual in a very nice way.

If we look at the outfits already on female characters in Warhammer, I think we can safely assume we'll see armour from both ends of the spectrum in WAR. Hopefully a female warrior in full plate really IS in full plate, not in a full-plate model of a streetwalker's outfit, as was sadly the case with some WoW suits. Equally, if Witch Elves are covering themselves up completely, they won't really be Witch Elves.

Jesse - Correct Wink

My solution would be the same as yours, I think. It's ok to have some dropped/found/won pieces be the best, so long as crafted pieces fit in with them visually.

This is where DAoC fell down.

Initially, when SC'd armour and dragon drops (which looked exactly like normal armour) where it, things worked fine, although people looked a little same-y.

Then the added Epics. Mixing your epic and normal-look armour lead to hideousness.

Then they added ToA. Mixing ToA and normal-look armour looked even worse than before. Worse still, some deeply hideous ToA pieces were *necessary* to be all you could be (Guard of Valour, for example), and there was absolutely no way, barring incredibly lucky RoG finds, that you could build a suit with one ToA look.

Then they added Darkspire. Which matched with nothing, of course.

And all we could do was dye it black and weep.

Now, I have no problem with them adding armour-looks, but they need to either add them as craftable, as you suggest, or add looks that fit in with crafted armour.

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(yes my head split in two after that)

My Answer:

That's why I said "some" women

I was talking to Jesse about the male stuff because he described what he wanted. I didn't mean every man everywhere.

beautiful does not equal hooker look. Can I not make a character creation post anywhere without someone jumping on the WoW slut-look bandwagon?

I only mentioned WoW briefly. I like Guild Wars women better than any game I've played. I thought that was obvious with all the screenshots.

EDIT: I would like to add that the two points you agree with me on are the only points I wanted to make. In a post like this, everyone has a different opinon as to what they want to play and I was merely stating mine.

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