Guys, i have analyized the Wolves vs Lrossa title challenge. It tooks 2 month now, and they ve resolved one 1v1 only.
Lets take a look on all the dates:
15.02.04 challenge were made
15.02.04 challenge was accepted
excellent til now
from 15.02.04 to 25.02.04 negotiation were made, except maps, 11 days
11 days for negotiations are definetely too long, we need a deadline as from the challenge is accepted, either clans finish negotiations within 7 days or default settings have to be used
from 25.02.04 to 04.03.04 maps were chosen, 9 days
well, thats stupid and tooooo long, maps have to be chosen, for example within the 7 days of negotiations, we have now 19 days for complete negotiations, thats crazy
from 04.03.04 to 12.03.04 till factions were posted (with some errors also), 9 days just for faction list, thatīs too much, we need a deadline, a maximum of 4 days between final aggrement about maps/settings or end of deadline for negotiations and posting faction should be the absolute limit
14.03.04 till today: 1 game played
well, thatīs too long again, 1 month, one 1v1 ???, we have to skip the rule about 1v1 has to be resolved before 2v2 etc. Clans must suggest times for ALL players. Self organization of the players are bullshit and takes too long. Every Clan must be obliged to suggest times within a time frame of one week for ALL games. Every Clan must self organize their team. No Clan should wait, that player XYZ of the other Clan is ready to play game c) in maybe 2 weeks after returning from holiday.
there is no reason to let a special player play in a specific game, Clans should play with substitutes
lawyers use always deadlines to guarantee things run faster
WE NEED DEADLINES IN THE RULES
formal challenge made: response for challenge 3 days, otherwise challenge is declined, - 1 point for challenged team
negotiations about settings: 7 days, otherwise default settings
faction list: maximum 4 days, otherwise default factions (need to be implemented in rules)
Clans have to suggest dates and times for the next two weeks, for all CWB games.
No representative should be allowed to be so lazy: "here is the list of the players, please go and ask them when they can play with u."
When i wouldnīt be representative of ELITE FORCE i d apply as CWB referee to refresh the whole tourney, make strict rules, enforce Clans to bring the challenges to the end, but I fear u think I am biased.
Re: CWB is still to lame
I'm completely agree with u Gazoz .
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Sullasan
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(4/15/04 9:47 pm) Reply
Well,
Well, it has to be geared up yes. I remember though that Kenchi vs wolves also played 2v2 b4 1v1. So dont think thats a rule.
Anyway, The kenchi wolf challenge also took to long, as individual players have to schedule games, and we had some people away on business trips then. That way 1 player can keep up a challenge.
This, IMO, has to change. If you can force a clan to switch players, if some cant make it within a number of days, it could speed up things
Re: Well,
Please read before viewing the link below.
It is an updated, and in some ways completely new, set of rules.
Gazoz, your ideas are sound. I'll add some of the suggestions, particularly the deadlines. For now I'll put up what I've done so far, so that you can take a look. I was going to wait a bit longer, but since you seem to be upset with things... *shrugs*
I'll add what suggestions you make that I agree with, then update the page later (just in case you visit now and not see them.)
It isn't final either - it needs tidying up and organising.
Take a look-see and reply with thoughts/ideas/questions.
Oh, I did post about making these changes a while ago, with no reply.
Re: Well,
Thank you Soul, u did a big step forward now, I will take a look into the new rulebook. I need some time for new constructive suggestions. The goal is: enyojable and quick games with less formalizm and bureaucracy and therefore we need a STRONGER CLAN WAR BELT REFEREE who has more power. For example, a Clan who delays games or needs to reschedule for no reason or has no backups gets a -1 point penalty in the end score.
Example: 2v2 is scheduled saturday evening. Gazoz rather plays with girlfriend and doesnt show up. Referee decides that ELITE gets a penalty of - 1 point for the end score. Without penalty we win 29:1 , due to the penalty we just get 28:2 points at the end
Re: Well,
very good points, Gaz, and some ideas form the rules-set of TheSoul are also very interesting.
Please, continue the discussion on the public forum, I'm interested in it!!!
Particularly, I found excellent the idea of scheduling the games with fixed dates!!
i.e.:
GAME_01: 1v1 steppes desert low-era
will be played tuesday 27/04/04 at 21.30 GMT
GAME_02: 1v1 flatinland03 west-europe high-era
will be played tuesday 27/04/04 at 21.30 GMT
.....
GAME_04: 2v2 Carcano west-europe high-era
will be played tuesday 29/04/04 at 21.30 GMT
etc.etc.
with a maximum delay of 20 minutes, and with witnesses, the game will be lost to the side who didnt show up.
Any player from the clan can play the game.
the clans will have to FIND the players for that days, and the player availability will make the team of each clan!!!! not only, but (as you originally thought) the games will SPEED UP A LOT
I'm sure Gaz could render this in a better way... more "lawer looking like"
The other idea I like is the possibility to schedule "quick" games", as proposed by Ithaskar in this rules set!! What do the other think about it?
Phoinix_Massimo
PS: note, I'm not the official ambassador of Phoinix, I speak for myself Edited by: AbBrancaLeone at: 4/16/04 3:02 pm
Re: Well,
In the way I described above (schedule a fix date for each game), it would be SO quick!!!
one week after the faction list has benn sent, the games can begin: in 3days (dispersed in one week), they can be completed!!
so for example
tuesday are played the 3 1v1
thursday one 2v2
friday the other 2v2
sundaythe 3v3.
The times are agreed before on the base of the players location/time. If it is a difficult task because of players living in Australia playing Danish opponents, then 2 weekends SHOUD BE ENOUGH for playing the games!!
Re: Well,
Ithaskar, all that we want is to improve this tournament, because I (and the others ) think that it is the most important and difficult one of MTW, but lately it has been neglected a bit in its shape and image. If u want an aid from me and my Clan, u know where to find to us, help that averybody would give u, I think .
Regards, Corbelius
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